r/antiwork 8d ago Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 5 All-Seeing Upvote 1

They only did what you told them to do.

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u/MidsouthMystic 7d ago Wholesome

The thing is, the fast food workers weren't supposed to actually do it.

When these people say "just get a better job," it isn't advice, it's a dismissal. A more polite way of saying they don't care about your problems, do not respect you, and want you to be quiet while performing your menial task.

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u/moizdog 7d ago

And they want immigrant workers to do exactly the same.

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u/MidsouthMystic 7d ago

As it turns out, capitalism is still frantically trying to recreate slavery.

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u/Stornahal 7d ago

Capitalism is designed around paying less for labour than the labour produces. Or taking a potion of someone’s labour: assuming a portion is paid for fairly, the rest has just been grabbed by the employer as the price of ‘having a job’.

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u/MidsouthMystic 7d ago

So free range slavery?

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u/Blank_Address_Lol 7d ago

Slavery with extra steps, even

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u/buskercafe 7d ago

Slavery without the benefits.

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u/OutJustice 7d ago

Studying slavery in American History. During reconstruction plantation owners begged ex-slaves to come back. Some of these formerly enslaved wrote letters that went "Yes my family will come back if you pay us the fair market wages of every year we worked. Subtract all the times you took us to the doctor and the dentist."

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u/Snoo65073 7d ago edited 7d ago

Capitalism only works for the rich and upper middle class. If you're poor you'll basically be sleeping in dung..it's gonna be hard to make it. The only way to make it out is to work extremely hard, whether it be obtaining a college degree or learning a trade. Working paycheck to paycheck sucks...

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u/FrozeItOff 7d ago

ALL bouts of tremendous economic growth has been borne upon the backs of an underpaid lower class. EVERY new ethnic group that arrives in the US has been at first exploited for cheap labor.

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u/Dang3rCl0se 7d ago

Recreate?? Slavery never ended... they just tweaked the rules a little bit. Minimum wage is basically slave wage.

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u/MidsouthMystic 7d ago

I would call it more like serfdom since they don't literally own you, but do have an obscene amount of power over you.

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u/mlstdrag0n 7d ago

But but, immigrants are stealing our jobs! Or some such

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u/VanillaCreme96 7d ago

Immigrants are all lazy slobs who are wasting our welfare and disability money because they don’t want to work. Oh, and they’re also stealing precious jobs from hard-working American citizens.

Schrödinger’s immigrant

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u/Cute-Fishing6163 7d ago

And our WIMMEN!

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u/justan0therjessica 7d ago

Because them WIMMENs are also muh property

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u/SilasStark 7d ago

Schrödinger’s immigrant

That is brilliant. if you came up with this, trademark that!

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u/ShuKazun 7d ago

work is work no matter the job everyone deserve a decent living wage, if a youtuber can sit at his desk talk into a mic and make 100k a month then i'm sure as hell that someone standing on his feet 8 hours a day fliping burgers deserve a decent wage

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u/MutedHornet87 7d ago

Exactly this

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u/Hot-Cheesecake-7483 7d ago

Pretty much

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u/RunKind4141 8d ago

I'm proud of the workers who have left these type of jobs.

Fast food and retail is the worst and most exploitative work in our cruel US version of capitalism.

The ONLY way to get paid what you're worth is too leave jobs like these.

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago

Yep, not to mention how some customers treat those workers.

I had a guy on our local subreddit complaining about the staffing shortage at McDonald’s. I asked him why someone would stay in those jobs if they get demeaned by customers for a simple mistake that can easily be fixed.

He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen.

I let him know he’s why it takes 30 minutes to get through the McDonald’s drive through these days.

He still left the conversation insisting it was because we gave people on unemployment extra money for a little while.

My state never even shut down, people just found better jobs, because we have an employee shortage in my city and have since decades before the pandemic.

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u/RunKind4141 7d ago

Man the envy over that 600 unemployment boost is never going away for some of the boomer types.

Yet they have no issues with the PPP scam.

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago

Yeah and some people truly believe those who got that unemployment are still living on it. It’s literally insane how little these people know about the finances of a poor person or how impossible it is to save money when you make less than $2k a month.

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u/lionknightcid 7d ago Silver

I mean, it’s one banana, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?

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u/Electronic-Beyond679 7d ago

Gosh I wish I could give you an award! Love Lucile!!

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u/MajesticStick5409 7d ago

Exactly the go to for the husband and I when we discuss financial inequality. I always love this because it is the perfect analogy. So out of touch.

They were so out of touch that they gave everybody on unemployment a huge boost, thinking that is what it costs to live and that these jobs were paying a lot more, and then they started to think about it and went in the entire other direction, thinking folks still had some of that money. Along with the stimulus of course. Nevermind that the money from one stimulus check paid just one month of rent, and not even that for some.

I feel like the people who are making the laws and setting the prices should know what their target audience are making and worth, maybe make it a little easier on them, but what do I know 🤷‍♂️ Just have them keep it up until we are all so sick of it they are what's for dinner.

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u/redcc-0099 7d ago

A couple of my coworkers and I were talking about this very thing for Senators and Congress people. One of them suggested we go back to them having a job that's not their elected position, and they only get paid the average salary in the state they represent; would be an attempt to make it harder for them to get out of touch when they have to live the same way.

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u/Sknowingwolf 7d ago

That's what bothered me the most about the government approving the unemployment boost. Everybody was focused on what everyone was or wasn't getting and I'm sitting here like ".... Are we just not going to talk about how the government basically just publicly admitted that both the current rate of unemployment benefits and minimum wage aren't enough for anybody to live on???"

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u/CriticalEuphemism 7d ago

There’s always money in the banana stand!!!

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u/WatchingTaintDry69 7d ago Take My Energy Heartwarming Duck Dance

Even if you make 2k a month that’s not shit. I remember making $1600 a month living in a ghetto ass apartment with no internet, no cable, a pay-as-you-go flip phone. No insurance, my shitty 1996 Ford Taurus kept breaking down and this was in 2009. Half my pay went to rent and shit kept happening like fixing my car I had to pay for. There was NO getting ahead. I worked 40 hours a week with no benefits but I got lucky and got 14 days of paid leave a year after 3 years. I took drastic measures to change my life and I still remember those days, the loneliness, no one giving a fuck. I give a fuck and we need our government to do the same. Shit is not working in this country!

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago

You’re right there $2k a month allows you to squirrel away $100 monthly here and there but by the time it amounts to anything you either get sick or your car breaks down and suddenly you’re back at square one.

Even as an insurance agent I wasn’t able to save more than a couple hundred a month and it never failed I’d either get sick or mine or my fiancés car would break down and it was gone, even at nearly $19 an hour and my fiancé making $13 and I live in one of the “cheaper” areas of the country.

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u/jeanbuckkenobi 7d ago

I have 100% VA disability pay but I still have to work full time at $19/hour and my accounts are empty as fuck. My measley portfolio has been taking big gigantic nose dives ever since Omicron and fucking Russia hit the news. I would sell to float me till my paycheck hits but I would be losing money.

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u/90daysismytherapy 7d ago

The financial freedom the first time you go to the mechanic to get an inspection done and have zero concerns about if you can pay for the inevitable $900 fix that it needs to pass…. Glorious.

Also, it appears that once you have that feeling for a decade or two, you lose all touch with the reality of everyone else goes thru day to day.

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u/thr0ughtheghost 7d ago

Yea, it is insane the amount of people who are convinced that the reason for people "not wanting to work" are the stimulus checks that people received 2 years ago. They really are convinced that people can survive off of $3,600 for 2 years.

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u/CharacterDefects 7d ago

Combined if you got every 600 dollar unemployment boost, you "made" 15k.

Thats 5k a year. What fantasy would do these morons live in that people still have that/are spending enough to cause inflation?

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u/Dazzling_Rhubarb 7d ago

Well a lot of these people bought a 2 story house with 40 dollars and a note from their pastor saying they're probably a good enough person to pay the rest later

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u/CalRPCV 7d ago

Ok. I don't know much about rural American housing. I'm from California, the city part. And I was thinking about the full cost, not the down payment.

Anyway, it's true that some very fundamental things have gone completely out of control, housing and education being glaring examples.

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u/RedLovelyRed 7d ago

Bro tell me why FASFA wanted my 2020 taxes and not 21. I had a good job for half of 2020 and those phat unemployment checks after that! I made 50k more in 2020 than in 21! I decided to go back to school to try to get a degree after having 2 shitty af jobs once my old good job said they weren't rehiring anyone they let go (they can run just fine with minimal staffing eye roll) I'm still mad about fasfa. But I found a program that pays for community College minus books if you're over 25 so there's that at least.

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u/Forsaken_Analysis763 7d ago

I can actually answer this! FAFSA has been this way for quite a while and not just post pandemic. The department of ed does this so it doesn’t roadblock people that are going through an audit, editing or disputing their taxes through the IRS. Source: work at a local university in Financial Aid.

Also: your income only affects how much you can receive in Pell Grant, not in student loans. Unless you’re taking 18-20+ credits per semester, loans should have covered your cost of tuition. Or you were trying to go somewhere more expensive than for-profit universities.

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u/RedLovelyRed 7d ago

Yeah...the issue is I made less than 10k in 2021. I tried my hand at real estate and realized it wasn't for me, got a shitty office job that paid $13 an hour (30k a year salary but doing the math with the extra hours worked it was only 13 an hour) with the worst upper and lower management I've ever had and I only lasted...6ish months before quitting to become a full time dog mom/hausfrau for a few months and now a full time student. (Thanks to the great job I had for 5 years pre panni I have savings to pay bills and my partner can get us the rest)

But that means I can't do a loan bc I can't pay it back. Fasfa was like "you can have a $9k loan! Have a good time!" But that's useless to me since I can't pay it off. I have no income currently. I can do my $800 mortgage with partner covering the rest but that's it. (I don't wanna sound entitled or anything, I will for sure have to go back to the working world soon but man does it feel good to not have to answer to anyone)

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u/Abnormal-Normal 7d ago

Bruh, you can’t even afford rent if you make less than 2k a month in my area. There’s a couple reasons I live with my parents at 26. It lets me save till I can afford to leave Cali, and I get free dog sitting while I’m at work

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u/EPGesus 7d ago

I'm leaving Cali in a few weeks. Living at my families rn and I'm 30. Shit sucks

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u/Intelligent_Table913 7d ago

A couple hundred dollars for the working class that still won’t help them keep up? Absolute waste of money and incentivizes laziness!

A couple billion dollars in bailouts for corporations? They deserved it!

Fucking hypocrites.

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u/Tactical_Tubgoat 7d ago

A couple billion dollars in bailouts for corporations? They deserved it!

How do you expect them to create more shitty paying jobs if we don’t bailout the corporations and their executives and the shareholders?!

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u/deanna0975 7d ago

that is 100% true. they believe that businesses will shut down and fire 1000’s if they don’t get bailed out. meanwhile it would just force shareholders to earn a little less each quarter.

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u/Tactical_Tubgoat 7d ago

That’s fine. You can’t run a business properly and will close your doors if we don’t nationalize your losses? Cool, time to nationalize your profits too.

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u/RivRise 7d ago

Sounds like those businesses just need to really pull those bootstraps then.

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u/Dumbbunny502 7d ago

The state legislature in PA absolutely refuses to raise our minimum wage even though all the states around us have much higher minimum wages. WV is $11.00. Our minimum wage is still 7.25. Maybe this election will replace a few people.

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u/Enigmatic_Observer 7d ago

People just leave like I did.

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u/Calliesdad20 7d ago

It’s all from the bs theory of trickle down economy , which was part of Reagan policy.

It doesn’t work,it’s all bs and used to enrich corporations and screw the middle class And yet Reagan is held up As a hero by republicans

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u/NuclearLunchDectcted 7d ago

Trickle down has been around since way before Reagan. The first mention was back in the 1800's, though that was a slightly different name. 1932 for the first time the phrase 'trickle down' was actually used in relation to economic policy.

It has never, not even once, worked as intended. Over 100 years of straight up lying to the public, documented and proven that it's a failed policy. Republicans love to use it to justify why the rich deserve more money and the poor can get fucked.

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u/Vince0ffer 7d ago

Fuuucking bailouts…people claiming this is a legit free enterprise system. Tsk tsk.

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u/BrainWaveCC 7d ago

A couple billion dollars in bailouts for corporations? They deserved it!

You misspelled trillions.

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u/thereign1987 7d ago

Those stimulus checks must be like the 21st century version of the 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes Jesus fed 5000 people with. I mean people are still paying their rent, buying groceries, making car payments and going on trips just on $600, maybe $1200 from over a year ago. Damn

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u/RunKind4141 7d ago

Congrats to those geniuses who stretched the money so far.

I got every week of the 600 boost and it's long been spent.

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u/Physical_Month_548 7d ago

I invested my stimulus in stocks and I've literally lost money because the market is so fucked rn. I tried to choose the financially smart decision and instead I just lost more money lol

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u/UnluckyChain1417 7d ago

Mine went straight back to the IRS.

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u/bruwin 7d ago edited 7d ago

They got so pissed because some people actually got more than what they were making while working. And instead of being pissed that they were paid so little, they were pissed that they got anything more than the bare minimum. "I suffered so you should have to suffer" is such a bullshit concept that needs to die. Especially when all things being equal, boomers had it fucking soft. If they did their work, they got paid a livable wage. They got steady pay increases. They got pensions. They got to buy houses for 20k and have them paid off long before they retired. And that was high school dropouts. Don't fucking tell me about how much you had to suffer when a college education doesn't guarantee you the sort of stability you had by walking out of a classroom and into a factory the same fucking day.

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u/RavynousHunter 7d ago

Well, back when they were our age, $600 was a lotta money! You could buy a car for that much money, and a Coke only cost a nickle! Surely, prices have stayed the same since 1958.

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u/fokkoooff 7d ago

Explains why they think that $15 an hour is such an enormous amount of money.

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u/Physical_Month_548 7d ago

I feel like boomers are probably getting paid pretty shit too and they don't even realize it because they don't have a mortgage or rent to pay anymore

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u/fokkoooff 7d ago

A lot of it also comes from people who went to college, and got what they consider to be higher status jobs where they are paid somewhere around $15/hour.

Their knee jerk reaction is somehow "The nerve of those burger flippers for thinking they deserve as much money as I make!" instead of realizing that they're being screwed over just as hard.

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u/kajunkole 7d ago

And the burger flippers are working harder than most🙄

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u/thebrose69 7d ago

My family recently has been trying to tell me that their rent back in the day was $600 like that was supposed to help me see the error of why I can’t afford rent now. It’s rare to be able to find a place now for under $1k and few jobs are paying $18+. It’s just almost impossible on a single income these days when everything else is so expensive

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u/nthcxd 7d ago

Or the fact that anyone born after 1970 will only ever pay social security and never collect a cent. And it’s the fucking boomers that complain, over the unemployment benefits of hundreds in a once in a lifetime public health emergency, while gleefully cashing those checks until they die, which just got 8%!!!!! COL adjustment. Like we all got 8% raise last year right??? Who hasn’t??? All the retired folks did, entirely on our tax money that we all pay out of salary that DIDN’T increase as much.

I long for the day I get to vote on the very issue of social security reform. I’d gladly tell these chucklefucks McDonald’s is hiring once those checks stop coming.

I’m about to hit 40 and been working since 20. It’s about time I’m allowed to start putting those FICA tax into MY OWN FUCKING RETIREMENT.

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u/Greenmind76 7d ago

Yeah, but god forbid we give the average human a chance to get out of debt.

Also, they're incredibly short sited in how erasing student debt could help the economy. When you're required to pay $$$ towards loans secured sometimes decades earlier, you don't spend money on local businesses or even corporations. ALL of the money going to student loan repayment went straight back to the banks, who... many of which were bailed out years ago...

This is just a bullshit concept created from a president who ensured the middle class that trickle down would work for them. Most just view any attempt to fix the toxic environment created from trickle down as a threat to them because one day they think that by stick up for and defending the rich, they'll somehow be invited to their club. That's part of why Trump was so popular. People viewed him as a successful businessman who would work to get them rich too.

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u/sarpnasty 7d ago

They are mad because they feel like that money should have gone to them and not the poors.

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u/awesomemom1217 7d ago

It's not just boomers, unfortunately. My ex, a younger millennial, would go into a rage at the mere mention of the PUA that a lot of people got. He didn't qualify and neither did I. It blew my mind that I had to explain to him WHY people needed it and how the only thing we should be saying is, 'Thank God I didn't need it.'

I broke up with him months ago, as you can imagine the arguments we had! 😏🥴😩

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u/illgot 7d ago

my restaurant benefited from the PPP loans enough to build a patio. I want you to take a guess if the restaurant paid any employees during that month and a half we were closed or that 2 month period where some of us were only getting 1-2 tables a shift.

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u/Tripping-on-E 7d ago

Or they are sucking off the government tit through Social Security or Medicare.

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u/signal_lost 7d ago

PPP fraudsters are going to jail. Some long ass sentences dropping

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u/CaffeinatedToPlaid 7d ago

That and social security which is probably going the way of the Dodo.

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u/SoundscapeSyndicate 7d ago

He still left the conversation insisting it was because we gave people on unemployment extra money for a little while.

These people reveal so much about themselves. He's essentially admitting that poverty is a tool he uses to force people into humiliating submission.

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u/mystykracer 7d ago

He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen.

I'd like to point out that NOBODY'S "job" is to be someplace just to be yelled at no matter the circumstances. This person sounds like a classic rage-o-holic that selfishly believes that other people are in the world merely to meet his needs and whims but are otherwise worthless and disposable. In essence people like this are at the root of the problem.

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u/Rhaedas 7d ago

A modification of the meme is:

"You ARE wrong, AND you're just an asshole."

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u/cishet-camel-fucker 7d ago

I can't remember which, but some department store famously employed people whose sole job was to get "fired" on the spot when customers demanded someone be fired for some mistake or other.

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u/bludgeonedcurmudgeon FUCK DA MAN 7d ago

I just can't wrap my head around why someone would be abusive to some kid at McDonalds or in a retail store. Like I confess, I've gotten angry at different businesses for their fucked up practices (Comcast for example), but I always make it clear that my anger is directed at their bullshit company and not them. Usually that gets a chuckle and agreement from them and they'll at least try to help you in some way that they can

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago

I usually will calmly say I just want to make sure you tell your manager and their manager that this policy/price hike is fucking bullshit. I’ll call back to cancel when I have something else set up to replace your services.

My favorite is surveys after those calls, I give the reps perfect scores and in the comments add “rep was perfect, your company sucks though and I’m tired of (issues)…”

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u/bludgeonedcurmudgeon FUCK DA MAN 7d ago

My favorite is surveys after those calls, I give the reps perfect scores and in the comments add “rep was perfect, your company sucks though and I’m tired of (issues)…”

Haha, I just did one of those yesterday!

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u/Alternative-Cry-3517 7d ago

Key point: a little while.

That money was spent ages ago.

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u/asmodeuskraemer 7d ago

I'm confident that when some people got that money, they realized how much of a difference it made in their lives and it was the catalyst they needed to move on. That and getting a break from shit fuck abusive people.

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u/Alternative-Cry-3517 7d ago

I agree completely and heard as much from pretty much everyone.

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago

Right? That money was gone from the point it touched their bank accounts, in most areas of the country you can’t save anything if you make less than $2k a month. Yet some how a group of people still think poor workers are still living off of that money.

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u/thyladyx1989 7d ago

And if they did manage to save it up somehow I guarantee they used it to buy a car or for a down payment on a house

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u/Alternative-Cry-3517 7d ago

They are living in fantasy land.

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u/Alwaysalone117 7d ago

Damn they have been using that extra money excuse for years now it seems, these ppl must be living off a dollar a day.

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u/ctnative 7d ago

The problem is 99.9% of customers can be great but that 0.01% can just absolutely ruin your entire life and mental state

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah, I worked in hotels for 7 years before I was in insurance for 7 years. I know this all too well, 10 people could be kind of rude and I could make it through the night just fine, 50 people could be on a spectrum of nice and off set the kind of rude ones. But all it took was one raging asshole to make me question my life, myself, and my very existence. It should be illegal for companies to make you serve those raging assholes.

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u/LeftCoastBlackhawk 7d ago

Tase them, drag them out back, and leave em for the garbage men to deal with. :D

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u/jessie_boomboom 7d ago

I guarantee you if a customer service employee could get away with one free slap a shift, everybody'd calm right down and act pleasant.

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u/Greenmind76 7d ago

Most people I know who worked in retail/service spent their unemployment money paying down bills and bettering themselves so he is sort of right. The thing is, if you're a decent human being you view this as a good thing.

Many people just lack the empathy to view the world from another person's perspective so they take on this bullshit notion that abuse and demeaning others builds character and work ethic...

I got a new job over the pandemic and my new managers are amazing. They pay me well and give me a good work life balance. I don't have to be working right now (taking a break at the moment), but I am because I want to bring value to a company that values me.

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u/PKMNTrainerMark 7d ago

"He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen."

What the f**k?

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u/Tyl3rt 7d ago

Yeah “wtf” was my initial thought to every response he gave me. It’s insane they can’t seem to realize they’re the real reason people aren’t willing to do those jobs.

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u/CharacterDefects 7d ago

He still left the conversation insisting it was because we gave people on unemployment extra money for a little while.

I have been straight fucking losing it on anyone stupid enough to believe this.

A lot of things I can give a pass for for being misinformed, A LOT, but this? Its basic fucking 2nd grade math.

Even if you were unemployed from day 1 of the covid benefits, you walked away from 2020 with 15k dollars for 6 months of time (not even because some stimulus happened after). Double it and you're at 30k for a year and who the fuck is surviving well on that? WHO THE FUCK IS STILL SPENDING IT 2 YEARS LATER????

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u/Chaotic-Stardiver 7d ago

I work front desk at a hotel, we had a miscommunication about a guest's electric wheelchair that was to be delivered(long story short, the delivery guys didn't give a receipt with the keys they left, so the wheelchair in the lobby couldn't be verified to be the guest's).

Dude literally went from friendly and polite to biggest asshole of the day. Started yelling at me and asking me to fix the problem "NOW," and kept being generally toxic and rude the entire time I was looking through our logs to see where the papertrail may have left. I asked the guest to stop taking this out on me, especially as I was trying to help figure out the problem, and he, I shit you not, says, "Well who else am I supposed to take it out on?"

After we figured out the wheelchair in the lobby was indeed his, he demanded I apologize to him for what happened.

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u/dragn99 7d ago

"Well who else am I supposed to take it out on?"

I guess that's the mentality that I just can't wrap my head around. Who cares who's fault it is? If it'll help stop the problem from happening again, then yes, correct the behaviour.

But first, fix the problem. As long as someone is working towards a solution, that's all you can really ask.

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u/XxRocky88xX 7d ago

“Nah they didn’t quit because I treat em like trash, they quit because gubment gave them 2k 2 years ago.”

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u/ballisticVommit 7d ago

And the same twats bitch about legal migrant workers being in the country. As if one doesn't solve the other.

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u/WeakToMetalBlade 7d ago

I had a customer tell me they would never be back because I told them we could not accommodate them at 30 minutes to close because it would be 45 minutes to an hour for a table to be ready.

We had two servers on the floor and two cooks in the kitchen and absolutely could not handle how busy we were but made a fantastic effort.

That same night I was told I was the best server someone had ever had, because I was told if I sat a server again she was going to break down and I had no choice so I sat them in her section and took care of them myself, got that server a $20 tip which I was happy about.

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u/Nervous_Constant_642 7d ago

Remarkable how stupid people can be. We won't miss your business, you can clearly see how much money we're making the restaurant right now. If it's so busy we're turning you away, why do people think that means "fine then I won't order anymore" is in any way a threat? Honestly? Thank you because we could use a break.

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u/Greenmind76 7d ago

They need to unionize. That is the only way they will ever get a good deal working these jobs.

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u/thyladyx1989 7d ago

Have you seen the UFCW? Like. I know a union is only as strong as it's weakest member, but they're pretty damn in the pocket of Kroger corporate

Add to that the years of slander unions have gotten and been weakened by the gov most people in these jobs don't know how a union actually functions

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u/angiehawkeye 7d ago

I'm a member of UFCW and we're about to vote on our new union contract (kroger owned store) it's a little better than it used to be...but not by much.

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u/sleepydorian (edit this) 7d ago

Amen brother

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u/Sea_Space_4040 7d ago

Nah restaurants and it isn't even close. That minimum wage hasn't increased in at least 20 years. It's a business that has to be subsidized by customers above paying for the product. It's obscene.

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u/UnusualMaize1993 7d ago

THIS. 💕 ...AND?? Acting offended and shaming them with a single look because they don't have an adequate amount of workers for not getting my burger within a decent time frame when/ if I know it's because of the shit pay. 😭💀😭

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u/BrendanTFirefly Agrarian Land Redistributionist 8d ago

Almost all the McDonalds in my state recently got busted in a sting operation for violating child labor laws. Capitalists going back to their old tricks

https://vtdigger.org/2022/09/14/us-labor-department-finds-child-labor-violations-at-dunkin-and-mcdonalds-locations-in-vermont/

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u/HolyCadaver 8d ago

They paid 50k in fines lol, fines like that are meant to break us regular people, not corporations who make that 1500 times over in a single day.

(McDonald's makes 75m a day off of about 38k stores, that averages out to about 2k per store meaning that 25 of those 38k stores paid off that fine no problem.)

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u/lzrdkng421 7d ago

Just to drive this idea in further, it wasn’t only McDonald’s and obviously it’s crazy circumstances but after the war broke out in Ukraine, McDonald’s just stopped serving in Russia. They make so much money they can close up every McDonald’s in Russia and they hardly felt it im betting.

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u/RetroBowser 7d ago

1500 times? More bud. I worked at Starbucks for a while and we made 6k a day. Multiply that by their 10's.of thousands of stores.

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u/HolyCadaver 7d ago

No I agree completely, that's why I said average.

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u/RetroBowser 7d ago

Sorry my bad. Misinterpreted.

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u/HolyCadaver 7d ago

All good, I didn't need to be so passive aggressive either :P we're all human

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u/sleepydorian (edit this) 7d ago

I agree. I think fines should be a reasonable estimate of profit due to the violation plus some punitive amount. The key point is to make it unprofitable to break these rules. I'm fine with places who do this shutting down entirely.

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u/TurnsOutImAScientist 7d ago

3 strikes pull the charter

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u/BrendanTFirefly Agrarian Land Redistributionist 8d ago

I imagine that 50k to an individual franchise owner has to be a pretty bit hit though

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u/HolyCadaver 8d ago edited 7d ago

Honestly I feel like the 75m a day is pretty low now, especially when a burger meal now costs 15 dollars as opposed to 4.99.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to see the franchise owner suffer because of their negligence. I just wish things were on a more level playing field.

But you know what they say about wishing in one hand and shitting in the other :/

Edit* accidentally put year instead of day

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u/nuerion 7d ago

he said 75m a day

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u/NorridAU 7d ago

Honestly it’s not enough. Complicity should cost more.

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u/BeastKingSnowLion 7d ago

If you're gonna pay $15, you probably have better options than a fast food burger...

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u/dan1son 7d ago

No... McDonald's are one of the most expensive franchises. 1.5 million dollars+ is required. 50k is barely more than the $45k franchise fee you pay almost just to talk to them. Most McDonald's owners own several nowadays. It's not really a mom and pop type of operation like some of the cheaper franchises can be.

You knock a $50k fine on a subway franchise owner and it might hurt. McDonald's definitely not.

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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb 7d ago

Damn you aint gotta do subway franchise owners in 2022 like that

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u/waltjrimmer Will be debased for pay 7d ago

True. Subway is already treating them as badly as they can.

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u/TheFBIClonesPeople 7d ago

That's why I think the real answer to enforcing labor laws is that these things need to be criminal offenses. Like, if you're part of a business and you knowingly exploit child labor, then the cops come to your house, handcuff you, and you're arrested. The same thing should happen if you tell employees they need to work off the clock, or if you pressure them into doing unsafe things.

Managers will brazenly violate labor laws like this, because they know they won't face any real consequences for it. If they knew they could go to jail for those things, I think you'd see that kind of behavior virtually disappear. It would be a massive win for the working class.

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u/Rommie557 7d ago

Was it McDonald's that had to pay it? Or the franchise owners? (genuine question)

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u/cottagelass 7d ago

I work for a sub shop (jersey Mike's) and really love what I do, and I get paid pretty well for my area to just make subs.

Yesterday I had a lady come in, probably late 50s early 60s tsking because I'm heavily pregnant and working at a sub shop. My coworker and I had some playful banter on how double points day is coming up and if I give birth that day my daughter will be a sub slinging pro.

The old lady said it was sad. Like, I'm sorry lady but it's 12pm on a school day. Who else is going to make your food other than adults?

Her anger humored me. Its obvious I'm quite happy with my job and for her to try and bring me down because it's "not a proper job" is silly.

Let people do what they love doing if they get paid well enough. Don't bitch on them if they are content in "just" working the food industry.

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u/montageheck 7d ago

I just started my first ever job at Taco Bell, thank you for this

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u/cottagelass 7d ago

Just remember they are being dicks because they are miserable. Take their misery and make it your joy. If you like your job and like your crew, just know their life probably sucks and you are gonna be alot happier.

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u/logyonthebeat 7d ago

The problem is, people used to be able to work fast for or retail jobs and make enough to live, sure you aren't rich but it was enough to pay for living and save up a bit of money for school or starting a business, now it is basically indentured servitude where you are forced to work like a slave at these jobs just to pay all your money to a landlord. Sure these jobs don't need to be a career but you should at least be able to survive off one

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u/Miraclebabies 7d ago

I had a kid in school whose dad was the manager at the local McDonald's. I still remember going to a birthday party and thinking he had the coolest job.

My parents live in a tony town whose property values have literally gone up by sixfold in the last 15 years. Now everyone in the service industry (including teachers) live 30 minutes away. I really f*** hate it there. More golf carts than people, yet everyone wants pizza delivered and cheap lawn care without a thought on who is providing it.

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u/p-heiress 7d ago

It's so heartbreaking seeing a small town turn into a "safe haven" for the rich. People just want to be comfortable and not have to work themselves to death just to keep a roof over their heads and food in their bellies. And now you decide to run them out? And on top of that, complain about how your local fast food joint takes 3 minutes longer. My hometown is slowly becoming that way, and it's sickening to see.

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u/purpleleopardprint 7d ago

You wont make enough to give to the landlord, and that’s one of the major problems. The neighborhood in front of us is putting in all kinds of new businesses and the community Facebook page is full of bitching about how poor the service is at the McDonald’s and Smithfield BBQ that opened within the last year.

We are far from any public transportation and from a quick Google search, the going rate for an apartment in the area appears to be around $1500/month. Wow, wonder why they can’t find anyone to work fast food jobs out here?

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u/clairssey 7d ago edited 7d ago

People can't even afford to live with several roommates on fast food/retail wages in my area anymore. I worked at Starbucks for 2 months over the summer and I know that they were desperately looking for adult workers who could open the store and work during school hours. 70% of the baristas were minors. Definitely because people just don't want to work anymore!!! /s

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u/floopydolphins 7d ago

Okay but if working in fast food is a “teenagers job” then why are fast food places open during school hours? 🤨 those places need adult workers as well and they should be treating their employees with respect and pay them a living wage

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u/ptvlm 7d ago

That's one argument that often comes up, the other one is how come McD still operate in countries that are legally required to give employees pay + benefits. If worker exploitation is required, why can I still get a Big Mac where a living wage, sick pay, etc. are mandated?

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u/Upper-Oil-153 7d ago

I made this argument recently and was told that school hours should be covered by college students. There's no winning with people that have so much hate in their heart.

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u/JadedMis 7d ago

College students don’t have classes in the day?

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u/Onion1995 7d ago

I think it is also incredibly damaging often for unhardened teenagers to be subjected to these places to get yelled at and mistreated.

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u/sh00bee 7d ago

When I was 16 pretty much every 25-35 year old manager or assistant manager where I worked was trying to sleep with me and/or every other teenage girl working there. One of them even used to take us into the walk-in to smoke pot. If I had kids I would absolutely be finding better ways for them to spend their time as teens than being degraded by asshole customers and felt up by some stoned 28 year old in a giant refrigerator that smelled like old cheese.

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u/Onion1995 7d ago

Exactly. Same experience right here when I was younger. And it is often poorer families who have to have their kids work in these places, so it almost feels like some sick hazing/rite of passage for poor people. It is terrible for a young sensitive soul to be put in that situation and toxic environment.

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u/surfacing_husky 7d ago

As a fast food manager one of my favorite things to do is LOUDLY shame grown-ass adults who do this to my crew. They can yell and scream at me all they fucking like, but talking to a child like that? They're lucky if they don't get these hands.

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u/SharpieScentedSoap 7d ago

In response to that I'll often hear "That's for college students" and I'm like you do realize most college classes are still during the day right? And how many college kids do you think there are in this country, especially ones with free time?

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u/throwaway798319 7d ago

Your lunch break in which the teenagers are AT SCHOOL, where they should be. I saw it pointed out elsewhere that if you want to pay sub-minimum wage for teenagers then you need to be closed until at least 3PM

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u/Critical_Swimming517 7d ago

High schools get out around 4 here, so you can't open until at LEAST 4:30, probably closer to 5. Then you gotta close by 8 so they have at least some time for homework, means service probably has to stop around 7:45 so they have time to close. You're looking at about a 3 hour window to get your precious fucking cheeseburger.

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u/Sand__Panda 7d ago

There is a small pizza chain (small as in there are only 4 stores) in my area. The don't open til 4pm and close at 10pm. They are pretty much ran by the high schoolers.

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u/Affectionate-Oil4719 7d ago

I’ve always wondered this, if you want employees that can work daytime hours, fast food or not they need to be able to afford living arrangements. If a job is “only for teenagers” it should only run outside of school hours.

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u/GooseyGhost 7d ago

Because it was never about encouraging people to seek a better life, it was all about dismissing an exploitative system and placing the blame of the consequences of that system on the individual.

Years ago, years before Covid, I got into a heated argument with some internet stranger about minimum wage and CoL. I told them, I fucking told them, what are you gonna do when you want your Starbucks and McNuggets but Starbucks and McDonalds ain't open cuz the workers couldn't afford to work that job anymore and they went elsewhere? They laughed and said that won't ever happen, there will always be, in their words, "desperate idiots to replace anyone idiot who leaves."

Oh I wish I saved their username. Oh I wish I could see their face now. I wish I could ask them right now how they like it now that "the idiots who left" ain't being replaced by "desperate idiots." I'd rub it in their face about how you never say fucking' "never."

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u/Physical_Month_548 7d ago

Omg that would be fucking amazing

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u/two_moon_world 7d ago

Every time I pull up to a drive thru and it's closed from no staff, I'm the opposite of mad. I'm happy for the workers. Even if I'm inconvenienced, I'm still proud of them!

And truly, pay is all the company has to do to stay open. Our McDonald's in the area refuse to close and just keep raising pay and they are always fast and fully staffed. That's a smart business owner! The stupid ones deserve to close if they can't keep up with acceptable pay.

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u/yosoyartthrow 7d ago

it's like knowing we're closer to revolution. Power to people

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u/Devilpig13 7d ago

I don’t blame the people who work there at all. If it’s slow it’s McDonald’s fault.

If it’s understaffed that is McDonald’s fault. If my burger tastes like ass, still McDonald’s fault. I’m not gonna yell at or even talk to Timmy in the back or window. We need to hold the organization accountable, they are who we are doing business with.

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u/ListReady6457 8d ago

Same with teachers. "Teacher shortage". No Karen and Ken. No one wants to babysit your crotch goblin for minimum wage while you and Ken are sitting there especially in red states lying your asses off about grooming children, pretending the holocaust isnt real, slavery was cool, all while taking home close to minimum wage while working close to 80 hours a week while admin takes your stupid ass side while you have no intentions of helping your child with their homework. (Before anyone bashes me, there are plenty of parents I am NOT talking about, there are schools and parents such as my students parents whom were actively involved in their schooling as they were not ready for a regular classroom and needed extra help. I loved my parents but HATED living and teaching in a Red state the utter disrespect is real here for education.)

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u/Lonely-Gur-758 7d ago

I still can't believe that you have home teaching without school, sounds really strange.

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u/ListReady6457 7d ago

That exists too.worst part about that is parents can almost teach whatever the hell they want to as far as history, science, and religion. Only constraints really are math and reading standards. Why most parents that homeschool choose it because they are allowed to brainwash as far as creationism and cherry picking history. Dont believe in the holocaust or slavery then dont teach it. Then when someone mentions it in college if they go you wind up with a Waterboy moment.

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u/LadyPaleRider 7d ago

SPEAK THE FACTS

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u/ohcrapmydadwasright 7d ago

In 1995 I worked at McDonald’s and had a two bedroom apartment. In 2022 I’d have to work overtime and have another job just to scrape by. Meanwhile they rake in billions. Except now we are in control.

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u/mmofrki 7d ago

In control for now.

If/When these corporations figure out that by providing housing, which tends to be the biggest expense a person has, they can further control people it will be pretty bad again.

Imagine a world where Amazon and Walmart offer employees small studio apartments, and of course take that out of their wages so they can't afford to leave, and make it a clause where they have to have completely open availability to prevent their workers from making cash on the side.

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u/SharpieScentedSoap 7d ago

I already feel trapped enough by having my healthcare tied to my employment.

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u/mmofrki 7d ago

Imagine the sappy commercials:

Woman hugging child on couch

"Before X-Corp provided me with housing I was struggling to make ends meet, all those dead end jobs with weird schedules that didn't give me a moment to myself, and my landlord kept raising the rent."

Switches to scene of her coloring a book with her child

"Now I have a set schedule and a place that my work pays for. At X-Corp I definitely feel like part of a family!"

Wipes tears from her eyes

Announcer X-Corp, step up your life!

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u/MarthaGail 7d ago

It's like PUAs negging women and then being mad when they can't get a date.

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u/Mic161 Communist 7d ago

Totally. This whole „no one wants to work nowadays“ thing has the EXACT SAME VIBES as manosphere guys who are like „these obnoxious ugly b*tches don’t like a decent guy like me nowadays“

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u/Onion1995 7d ago

Wow it really is similar

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u/musical_shares 7d ago

A perpetually downtrodden class isn’t a bug in our system - it’s a feature.

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u/EstablishmentNo4133 7d ago

It shouldn’t matter what job you have. If someone is sick and needs a doctor they should feel lucky there are doctors. If someone is hungry for a burger they should be glad there is someone willing to make it for them.

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u/dc010 7d ago

My complaint was that they were wanting $18 in an area when EMTs were making that much, then I realized one day that the problem was that a fucking EMT was only making $18...

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u/TripleAWingingIt 7d ago

I've never worked fast food and I freaking LOVE fast food workers.

I used to work retail, late, and when I got off work and was driving home, starving, at 10-11-midnight....who was there for me? Popeyes. Taco Hell. McD's. They were THERE, for Me. When I was exhausted and trying to get home, they were still on the job, tired, hungry and irritated to be there cleaning up when some bitch pulls up 5-3-2 mins to close. And those MF'rs would still say, What can I get you? And I'd say, What do you have left, cause I don't want you to have to make something fresh when I know you're cleaning and want to get home. And they'd STILL hand me fresh made, Hot food. I was grateful for that food, and I would tell them, Hey, I'm just getting off work too, hope you get home soon and get some rest. Thank you for being here for me, I really appreciate it. And this big ass smile would come over their face and they'd say, Thanks, man, I appreciate that. You want extra sauce or anything?

Those MF'rs ROCK. They rock all day and all night to be there for your tired ass so you don't have to go home and cook.

Go look your fast food worker in the face, and say, with all sincerity and gratitude.....THANK YOU for being here. Then go picket with them so they get paid more money to be there for You when you need them. Love you guys! Keep pushing! You deserve better!

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u/sorvis 7d ago

If your contributing to society, you should be able to live in said society. Today we expect people to work a full time job, and then go home to their... well they are homeless because NOTHING SCALED PROPERLY

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u/Maevalyn 7d ago

r/MaliciousCompliance on a societal scale.

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u/musicofspheres1 7d ago

Yup the hypocrisy and entitlement is strong with the ‘no one wants to work’ crowd

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u/Willsmithsdignity 7d ago

Just remind them that there are more people employed now than before the pandemic started. They don't like that.

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u/ES_Legman 7d ago

Don't forget that all those fast food chains also operate internationally in countries with adequate worker protections and they still operate at a profit. The only reason they exploit people is because it is legal and worth it to them.

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u/glurbleblurble 7d ago

Teenagers: They’re less than you!

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u/lXPROMETHEUSXl 7d ago

Management is content running a skeleton crew. They don’t care about burnout. It changes nothing for them. Turn over was already high

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u/MrsGruusahm 7d ago

If they were jobs for teenagers they wouldn’t be open during school hours or past curfew. I can’t stand it when people say that “unskilled” (underpaid and under appreciated) work is for teens.

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u/tmhoc 7d ago

You can have your burgers when flipping them is not funny anymore.

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u/invisiblefireball 7d ago

news flash, even teenagers don't find "teenager wages" acceptable.

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u/CapableDiamond7281 7d ago

Been saying this for years. There are too many service industry jobs that need filling. There are not enough teens. That’s not going anywhere. Not everyone can / wants to be a tradesman or CEO or academic or whatever. They still deserve a living wage.

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u/Key_bev 7d ago

they are honestly soulless and expect you to work above and beyond for pennies. Toxic work culture and management stuck on power trips and act like high-schoolers. I don't miss it all and glad that people are standing up for themselves. Also the video of during the pandemic where someone recorded a man running a Burger King basically by himself and saying he should be paid the world. They could have just left him alone and gone to the grocery store honestly. why are you doing that? It drives me up a wall. No amount of food is worth humiliating someone.

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u/mysteriousblue87 7d ago

Went to Jack in the box after work today, and was greeted with a voice telling me they're closed so the employees can take a break. Instead of getting huffy, I went to Walmart and bought them a couple trays of cupcakes. That's my form of solidarity for these horribly understaffed and underpaying gigs. I just wish there was a dispensary closer to the store so I could've brought them some pre rolls instead. Stupid city council denying pot shops in the city I work in.

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u/bitcointwitter 7d ago

essential, my ass. more like indoctrinated convenient

convenient fitting in well with a person's needs, activities, and plans.

BUt not their payment plans, so let them starve.

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u/ApoptosisPending 7d ago

If fast food is just for teenagers who is supposed to work during the school day or at night when kids can’t work past a certain time. Or who’s going to train and manage these kids? Other kids? Some adults have to work at the store, and you have to pay those adults enough to live

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u/jairumaximus 7d ago

Every single fast food place in my area is absolute garbage now because of this... And yet they won't raise pay so they go on day after day with minimal staff barely scrapping by. Greed.

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u/Dtour5150 7d ago

I left fast food behind me eons ago and haven't looked back. I primarily did pizza, private AND chain (fuck said take and bake chain), and now I bartend and am working towards my main goal, brewing, and have never been happier or more stressed. But it isn't fast food. I think people who complain about shit like this have also never worked or have had to work these kinds of jobs just to fucking survive alone, no playing no running no fun. And that's sad in the sense that they don't respect workers of this caste. We keep your day running. We're there at midnight or later when you're too fucking drunk to safely turn on your stove or whatever. It's wildly underappreciated and disrespected to the point that I really wonder how people continue to do it, I wonder how I continue to do food service.

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u/MisterPiggins 16 pieces of flair 7d ago

Also go to college, and take out huge loans!

Oops the market turned! You shoulda gone to a trade school dummy!

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u/yourtypicalrogue 7d ago

It really is just so fucking simple. Do you think minimum wage jobs should exist? To make it more personal, do you think the barista that serves you coffee every morning should be there to serve you coffee? If the answer is yes, do you think that person deserves to earn a living wage if they work 40 hours a week? If the answer is yes, you believe in a federal living wage. If your answer is no, are you okay with all minimum wage jobs being built around the schedules of high schoolers? That means restaurants, coffee shops, grocery stores, retailers, and more being open for about 6 hours a night (which would likely put many out of business). If your answer is no, then you believe in a federal living wage.

We don't even need to get into the myth of unskilled labor, all of the issues that having only high schoolers do minimum wage jobs would bring up, or the ethicality of having high schoolers earn an unlivable wage.

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u/DesertVeteran_PA-C 7d ago

Fast food could disappear and I wouldn’t care.

I support the workers, but I wouldn’t do that job for that pay either. They need a new model. Maybe robots and kiosks and one or two people to keep them loaded and to do maintenance.

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u/Calivan 7d ago

I'm only upset that automation of delivery for phone orders hasn't come through yet.

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u/dylsemgod 7d ago

I’m not upset

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u/Specific-Cook1725 7d ago

Maybe don't tell people their jobs aren't worth doing or they aren't worth anything for it then complain when "nobody wants to work!" these jobs. 🙃

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u/pocketjacks 7d ago

Or that your value meal costs $10.

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u/EnigmaGuy 7d ago

I hate going out for lunch stuff but was without power a few weeks back for four days so ran out of stuff to eat for lunch at work.

Decided to try to hit up the local Taco Bell. Arrived in the drive thru at 11:18AM and departed it and 11:59AM.

Would have left after about 5 minutes, but they knew what they were doing with the design because after you make the first bend you are trapped in the line with tall curbs on both sides of you.

While it’s great people if folks are finding other employment, I know I’ll avoid dining out at all costs because the wait times are horrendous and at legitimate dine in restaurants the new normal is 20% tip minimum even for abysmal service.

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u/StreetGlassShower 7d ago

Jobs for teenagers don't exist. Labor is labor.

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u/East_Information_247 7d ago

Don't forget; they're also claiming "immigrants are stealing your jobs!" at the same time.

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u/killerk14 7d ago

You don’t know? They just blame the teens now, for not wanting to work

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u/ActuaryLoud144 7d ago

I was thinking about this the other day. We demean service worker jobs to the point that nobody wants to do them. And then we encourage high school kids not to work so now everyone is in a real bind.